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On Having a Third

Deciding how many children to have can be one of the most emotional choices a mother needs to make
Laurie Davidson

This is the first in a series of submission from The Momoir Project, all of which focus on finding the right number of children for each respective writer's family.

I’m making pancakes with my kids. My 3-year old son is dumping the flour into the blender, a dusting of white covers the counter, his arms and his face. His pajamas are too small for him, the tattered cuffs stop short an inch up his arm.

My just six-year old daughter declares, “Mommy, I want another baby. I want the family to have another baby.” She says it innocently, with a smile, believing her statement to be on the same level as “Mommy, I want the Playmobil Animal Clinic for my birthday."

Within seconds, my eyes are welling with tears. This is not the first time she has asked this – she has been doing so on and off for the past year or so. A few of her kindergarten friends have added small babies into their families, including, about a week ago, on Mother’s Day, her best friend welcomed a new baby brother. It’s on her mind, this baby business, and she assumes logically that it would be reasonable to appeal to me, the mother, to grant her request to gain a new sibling.

“Yeeahh, a baby. Wouldn’t that be cooool?” my son says, licking his powdered fingers.

The last many times my daughter has asked this I have managed to deflect, with a shrug, a smile, sometimes an “I don’t think so, honey,” and move on to the next thing. But, this time I don’t want to answer that way. I don’t want to pretend an answer. On my resolve days, the days when I resolve not to think about it, not to despair about it, not to imagine the ‘what if’ scenarios where things magically turn around, I tell myself, as a responsible parent, I should not involve my kids in this issue. It is not their struggle, and they have many wants and desires that I say ‘no’ to every day. “Mama, can I have another cookie?”, “Mama, can I have a race car and drive really fast?”, “Mama, can I never brush my hair again?” I can say ‘no’ to these things. But this time, the “No, sweetie,” and a smile, just won’t come.

And I hear myself saying, “You need to ask Daddy about that.”

She counters, “But why, Mommy, why don’t you want another one?”

With tears now progressing down my cheeks, I try to erase the bitterness from my voice. “I do want one, honey, very much. I would very much like to have another baby. But Daddy doesn’t, so you should ask him.”

I’m falling into the slippery morrass of parental divide, playing one off the other, not presenting a united front. But I can’t help it. How can I not speak it, even to my 3 and 6 year olds?
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Blinking away my tears, I am valiantly trying to finish adding the ingredients to the blender for the pancakes. My son is waiting patiently until he can turn it on, the whirring and whizzing the real reason why he likes pancakes.“Why do we need to ask Daddy?” he smiles. “You make the babies inside of you.” He gestures largely with his floured hands, quite pleased with his understanding of human reproduction.

“Why, indeed,” I silently scream, not at my son, but at my chosen partner in life, who is sleeping in upstairs, on this Sunday May morning.

“Because Daddy and I both need to agree.” A trite phrase which I use daily to my kids to help them resolve their disputes, whether it’s about Lego, or who gets to sit beside Mommy at dinner, or about whose turn it is with the black marker.

“Why doesn’t Daddy want another baby?” my daughter asks.

“I don’t know. You need to ask him.” I say, barely able to speak over the lump in my throat, looking downward so she can’t see my eyes. I know she won’t ask him, though. She saves these questions for me. Perhaps she feels as I know, that the answer will be ‘no”.

“Why are you talking like that?”

“Like what?”

“Like that, so quietly, like you do when you’re about to cry.”

“Time to turn on the blender.” I say, and my son pushes the puree button, the sound distracting both of them.

I take a deep breath, and wipe my eyes, hoping that my dear mate has heard this upstairs, and that miraculously, maybe just maybe, it gives him pause, and tomorrow, or maybe next week, he’ll tell me he has changed his mind, and he’ll do it for me. But I know I’m dreaming; he probably hasn’t heard, or, if he has, his resolute ‘no’ remains unchanged. And it makes me cry all over again. Not huge sobs, but these silent relentless tears.

I didn’t know this would be such an issue until it became one. I didn’t know how much I wanted another until my son was closing in on 3 years. My spouse and I had never really discussed it, the certainty or not certainty of 3, though he claims we did. I remember saying after our son was born, still in the delivery room, “I am never going through this again,” and he believed me. I curse those words made in the aftermath of pushing and pure physical pain. I remember talking about two or three kids, and on that we happily agreed. He heard two, and I heard the possibility of three, which gave me the freedom to choose.
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The first time I realized how differently we felt was at a parent preschool gathering, when our kids were 1 and 3, and I heard my spouse exclaim, “Congratulations. Better you than us! We’re done, we’re soooo done,” in response to another parent’s announcement of their 3rd pregnancy. The ‘we’ felt like a knife. That ‘we’ was ‘me,' and it so did not represent me. I told him that night that I didn’t agree with his statement and asked him never to include ‘me’ in his proclamations when it didn’t represent how I felt. I think he was surprised, shocked. He thought we agreed on this issue, and I suppose, until that moment, I wasn’t aware how strongly we didn’t.

But still, at the time, it wasn’t that I definitely wanted a third, I just hadn’t decided that I definitely didn’t, and his certainty maddened me, because I felt the decision had yet to be made. But then a year passed, and then another and I started noticing three-child families, and many of my acquaintances and mom-friends began to have 3 or talk about having a third, and the feeling started to grow, until at some point, whether overnight or over weeks, I became quite certain, and with a longing and a passion that surprised me, that I wanted another baby. I began to do menstrual math with online ovulation calendars, blocking out my fertile weeks for the next many months, deciding how many months I would be willing to wait, considering the age gap that would be between my youngest and the yet-to-be baby. I was a year and a half away from 40, so I counted backwards determining my last month that I could conceive, that would plant me giving birth before my big 4-0. I began to talk furtively to my friends inquiring about what it was like to have three, and for those who still had two, whether they were considering a third. 

Over the weeks, I fumbled about how to approach the conversation with my spouse; I needed to have my reasons in place, express my desire, ask him to consider the possibility. But I was scared of the decisive ‘no’, that it would be harshly final before the conversation even started. Just before Hallowe’en, a fellow mom, who has two kids almost the exact same age as mine, phoned to tell me she was pregnant again. I was hit hard; she had told me that she and her husband were done at two, and she was one of my mental holdouts, a place of support should my desire for a third child not happen.

When I got off the phone, I blurted out to my spouse, “It’s driving me crazy. I so want another baby. We need to talk about this.” My approach was without preamble and without the love and care that I had envisioned this conversation to take. I could feel him on the defensive. We agreed to discuss it on a dinner out the following Saturday night, when my parents would be available for babysitting.

[header = page 4] During the evening’s conversation, I outlined all of my reasons and desires for having a third. The bounty of a full family that would grow with us as we grew older. The desire I had to break the symmetry of four and embrace the imbalance of five. The fondness I had for both of my sisters growing up, and how I want to offer those multiple relationships to my own children. The realization that our youngest is no longer a toddler, and my desire and yearning to nurture another. The love I have for breastfeeding and co-sleeping. The feeling that my family is not done yet – that there is another out there. I made as convincing and heartfelt of a argument as I could, and asked him to please consider my request. He listened and expressed genuine feeling for my position. He said he would think about it.

The following week he said ‘no.’ He hadn’t slept well all week, explaining he was terrified of what his answer would do to us - the resentment that would persist because of his choice. But he said he didn’t want another and he could never bring another being into this world that he didn’t want. He felt complete with two children, loved our son being the youngest, didn’t want to upset the balance, and was just beginning to appreciate getting more sleep at night and more time in the day as our children got older. He felt blessed by our two healthy children and didn’t want to tempt fate and have something go wrong with a new baby, a pregnancy or with me. He didn’t want another. And he was very, very sure.

But I couldn’t accept it; I felt that I could still work on him and convince him. I said I would do all the work of raising a third – diaper changes, feedings, consoling. I suggested adopting. I suggested a two-month game of conception chance – if it works then we have one, if it doesn’t, I concede. The fertility equivalent of flip the coin. When he still steadfastly maintained his ‘no,' I exercised fantasies of my own – I’d go to a sperm bank, get pregnant, and move to Saltspring Island and raise my 3 children alone. I’d adopt a young girl from India. I’d have a torrid affair for the sake of getting pregnant. And I cried and I cried and I cried. Every day.
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I imagined he would change his mind and present me with this wondrous gift – first as a Christmas present, then as a birthday present. But when both of these events passed with no offering, I believed his “Yes, we can have another baby,” would come as a part of our romantic week getaway to Cancun the end of February. We attempted to regain a sexual connection but the thoughts were too loaded for both of us, and it deteriorated into an soul-wrenching conflict when he stated that if the condom broke and something should happen, that he would like me to get an abortion. And so it became sexual stalemate.

But life goes on. And on this Sunday morning, my children and I are making pancakes for him, with lots of maple syrup. He is not evil or sinister or terrible because he does not want to have another child. He is the wise and gentle father of my two children. He is still the same kind, gracious, intelligent and steadfast human being that I met 15 years ago. I have scoured blogs and websites and self-help books, and have received the thoughts of dear close friends, to find support for my position. They all say, save for a cantakerous few, that there needs to be two yes’s to bring another life into this world. I can’t win this one.

We have work to do to disentangle ourselves from this impasse. The strain is as much a realization of our fundamental difference, a sharp contrast to our early years of romance where we were invincible and connected as one, as it is about the loss of my dream. I hear myself cajoling my relentless, weeping inner core, “Accept it, forgive him, and move on with your life.” And though I grieve for my third child that will never be, that is what I must do.

“Who wants to go get Daddy for breakfast?” I ask.

“I do!”, “No, I do!” My son always an echo of his older sisters’s responses. They hurtle up the stairs, jostling each other as they race to see who will get there first. “Daddy,” they yell, “Pancakes are almost ready. Time to get up!”
 

The Momoir Project offers a series of writing classes for moms interested in taking the time to channel their personal experience with motherhood into words. Becoming a mother is a challenging, tumultuous and rewarding rite of passage, one that transforms us completely. It changes our identity, our ambition, our sexuality, our relationships. Through writing, we can help each other make sense of it all.

 

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My husband and I went through this briefly and what we decided is that when our youngest reached a point where we wanted a 3rd child - we would apply to become foster parents. Also, I have researched being a surrogate (I had easy pregnancies and enjoyed being pregnant).

What a heartfelt story of something so private that so many couples experience. Thank you for sharing! My husband and I too went through this and decided after we BOTH were on board that we would try for a third. We now have two girls and a boy and the dynamics are different, however, I wouldn't change anything. There is a 5 year age difference between our last two, so as you can see, this is a topic that we both went back and forth on. It finally came full circle where we both were in complete agreement. I know for certain, that if we were not completely honest in our desires for our third child, we would still be a family of four. Thanks again for sharing your journey and all the best to you and your family!

Oh my heart just breaks for you as I read this. I do agree that there need to be two "yeses" to have a child, whether the first or fifth child does not matter. But I think that the question of how many children to have can be one of the hardest in a marriage, because there is no compromise is there? You can even think early on that you could compromise on 1 instead of 2 or 3 instead of 4. But when your heart wants something so badly and your partner is so the opposite, you really can't win. I hope in time you find peace with the decision that has been made for you. I'm actually someone on the opposite side of the discussion - my spouse wanted more children than I did, but we did agree to have the smaller number I wanted ultimately because I simply could not do it again. It strains me mentally and physically already and I fear that my parenting ability would be severely compromised if we had more children. I am grateful to my spouse for seeing that and even agreeing to have a vasectomy for me. Take care.

What a heart-felt story. I am of a very different mindset. My husband and I knew we wanted a large family upon marrying. We decided not to commit ourselves to a specific number- sort of just let things happen. Once a child is brought into this world, yes it is expensive and puts an emotional, mental and physical strain on the couple in terms of lost sleep, lost time together, etc. Much of this is temporary, however. My philosophy is that once here, no good, loving parent can resist eventually feeling an emotional attachment to their kin. All the "kinks" and anticipated "problems" just kind of find a way to work themselves out. I believe that not EVERYTHING has to be so planned or controlled. Many beautiful opportunities often emerge once we relinquish control and allow things to just flow...naturally. I am not advocating having 17 children however! But, we have 5 and have mutually decided that we are done. Would we ever want to give one of them up for the lack of shut-eye, financial resources, or private time we've missed out on as a result of "another one"- a resounding NO! We work around it all and are thus, more creative in finding ways to achieve what we want.

I think you are one of the most selfish people I have ever heard of. Your husband wants to be able to put enough time into your family to keep it strong and is worried that something would happen to you while pregnant. he has his reasons. doctors strong advise against having children after 35 and you are well past that. i can't believe you would even fight him about this. you are wretched. i'm glad he's holding strong on this. you're going to ruin your otherwise great relationship with these hateful bitter thoughts. shame on you.

Have you never heard the saying, "if you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all" Mommy-bashing is the most ridiculous form of commenting on the internet today. You need to stop standing behind you're anonymous label and if you truely believe something then say it. This bashing is ridiculuos, we are all adults we should be able to discuss the pros/cons of something without resorting to name calling. I don't know this lady and most likely neither do you. If you think she's so horrible keep it to yourself.

Anonymous has just as much right to make a comment as you do. As for the woman who wrote the story, to try to enlist her to small children to put pressure on her husband to have more children is childish and weird. She's already discussed having more children with her husband and he said no. She's hounding him all the time to change his mind and trying to wear him down and what she's going to end up doing is finding herself raising the two children that she does have on her own.

I didn't say she didn't have a right to respond at all Kaci. I just asked that she respect the writers feelings. I'm sorry if thats how I made sound. I don't think bashing a person you don't know is an acceptable comment, I'm sorry. Also if she/he wanted to comment they could not hide behind the anonymous tag that's all.

Mommy bashing? All this woman does is use her kids as weapons against their own father and passive-aggressively trying to pump out a third. She needs to get a reality check. Her husband is giving her nothing but honesty and truth and she resents him for it. Her husband doesn't want to have more than 2 children. It's a perfectly reasonable desire that she needs to respect. Her only alternative is to divorce him, but THAT would be the mother of all selfish moves.

Wow. That's harsh and mean. You can't make any judgments like that about her husband/relationship/kids without knowing them. Shame on YOU for THOSE hateful and bitter thoughts.

I can't believe you would say something so cruel! This woman is not selfish. Actually, her husband is. He certainly doesn't mind having sex with her, but if she were to get pregnant he insists on her having an abortion??!! As another reader mentioned, he needs to get a vasectomy. What is he waiting for? Or is it okay for her to have an abortion, but not okay for him to have a vasectomy? The reasons he gives for not wanting another are also selfish. He doesn't want to lose more sleep?? He doesn't want to lose his extra free time?? I agree that it's not easy during the infant stage, but it's only temporary. Perhaps he doesn't want his wife to be so busy with a newborn that she becomes sexually unavailable (especially since she promised to do EVERYTHING!) I obviously think it's unfair for a husband to deny his wife the opportunity to expand her family. It's not like she's asking for a new car. She's asking for one of the biggest blessings life has to offer.

He doesn't just not want to lose sleep; he doesn't want anything to happen to her. He's happy with two, and three is not two. It's not as if a baby is a goldfish or something - a third baby is a third person for whom he will be responsible for the rest of his life. Maybe she says she'll do everything, but what does it mean to HIM to have a son or daughter and not take care of him/her? Again, a baby is not a pet - what kind and loving father wants to subject his child to a life without the care and love of his/her dad? You're right, she's asking for one of the biggest blessings life has to offer - and also one of the biggest responsibilities. A baby is not a new car. A car doesn't care if it's driven and serviced by only one of its owners. A car can be sold if its owners can't afford or don't want it anymore. As for a husband "denying" his wife, what if it were he who wanted another baby, very badly, agreed to adopt so that his wife wouldn't have to go through a pregnancy, but SHE didn't want it? I get the feeling you wouldn't be arguing so vehemently for his right to be a dad. The author is perfectly entitled to want another baby, but using the children she already has to try to guilt her husband into agreeing is NOT right or fair. Although, yes, a vasectomy would be a better idea than an abortion - but considering the tone of this article, I'm not willing to take the author's word that he meant it seriously.

Do you have kids? With the nastyness of your comment I highly doubt you do. A woman cannot help the feeling of wanting another child. I would love another baby but my husband is done and for practical reasons I know we should be. I get sad that we're done sometimes (I know this is a non-budging decision on my husbands part) and wish that we could have more ... but seriously. THis woman is writing out how she feels, she's in pain. Have a little compassion!!

I so feel for you. My youngest is 14. I still long for another. I still do the math. I still have the fantasies. My sister is already a grandmother. I'm still not ready to give up the dream of another baby. I want the pregnancy and even the childbirth, the breastfeeding and all of those amazing first you get to witness. I would so love to see what a third child would look like with our genes. The only thing I would not look forward to is the sleepless nights. I wish for you accecptance. I wish it for myself, I hope someday to find it.

Wow! Whoever Anonymous is should have at least have the nerve to post her/his real name. What a coward! I applaud you for speaking with him as an adult should, and not taking the matters into your own hands. I too would love another child (on most days) but my husband feels the same way as yours does. He is THE BEST DAD to our two girls and while I yearn for the third I will count my blessings with a happy marriage and two healthy, smart, vibrant girls who fill my life with laughter, craziness and an abundance of love! Good luck, I hope you two can restore the night life! ;)

I am not a mother. I never intend to be one. I came across this article by accident... but this is one of the most beautifully written, heartfelt things I have ever read regarding motherhood and regarding things we can not have. Good luck, God bless and enjoy the incredible life you have.

Agreed. :)

I have to say that the author's bitterness toward her husband needs to be resolved, and that using her children to try to change his mind is just downright wrong. On the flip sid, if he is firm about not having any more children, then why hasn't he had a vasectomy instead of telling her he would like her to abort the child should she turn up pregnant? If my husband ever said something like that to me, his butt would be on the curb in a heartbeat! It sounds to me like they still have a lot of talking to do--and if they can't work it out on their own, then seek help from a qualified marriage counselor. THEN get a vasectomy!

I felt like I was reading about myself. I am 40, with three children (2 step children and 1 of my own) After our daughter who is 4 we decided to not try to prevent pregnancy, but not to try either. I had to take fertility drugs to concieve my daughter so the chance of having another is slim. I want another, therefore want to start trying again and go back on fertility drugs. My husband does not. I understand all of his reasons, believe me I have thought them all myself. I respect my husbands wishes, because as others have said it takes two people to say yes to this. There is no compromise. In this situation someone will not be happy with the outcome. It happens to be me and I am not handling it well. I am running out of time and I am angry my body won't work on it's own and allow me to get pregnant by chance. I am angry with my husband, but there is nothing that can be done unless he changes his mind. Thank you for sharing such a hard topic. It is hard to bare your soul and then have other criticize you for your feelings.

I really feel for the lady in this atricle. My story is a little different. I was in a bad marriage for 9 years that produced two wonderful children 14 and 9. My husband at that time was very controlling and demanded that I have my tubes tied after my youngest was born or he would leave me. I was desperate to be loved by him (dont know why he was a cheater among other things) so I did it. If i knew then what I know now I would have never done it because we seperated when my son was only 5 months old. I now have a wonderful man in my life who would love to have more kids (I have my 2 and he has 1) and I have never stopped having regrets for having my tubes tied. Now the regrets are stronger. I constantly think about the fact that he is truly the love of my life and I cannot give him a child. It hurts alot at times.

Your tubes were "tied" not cauterized (burned). Maybe you can find a doc who can un-tie them. It'll work! =) ~*~Rebecca~*~

This sounds like our house right now. WE have one son and I yearn for a 2nd so badly. Sadly my husband has said he want another biological child, he want to adopt. I have no real desire to adopt. Im so hurt, theres nothing in the English language can begin to explain the pain. Im an only child and hate it. I've always wanted a sibling and I made sure to tell my husband BEFORE we got maaried that I wanted 2 bio kids and he agreed. After the birth of our son he renigged and its been like this for 2 years. My childhoon was lonely and adulthood has lonely when there's no one to share it with other than you spouse. He doesn't see it that way but he's never been an only child. I've got a lot meds and theraphy to go through in order to accept this new reality because the thought of divorce over this matter is too much to deal with. Our marriage has been a great one, except for this.

In my previous comment I meant he DOESNT want another biological child

I felt like I was reading about myself when I read your post. The only difference is I'm only 26. My daughter is 6 and my son is 3 and I am just now getting that strong desire to have a 3rd child. After the birth of my 2nd child which was all natural I said, that I was done. I said this for years and even wanted my husband to get a vasectomy. Thankfully he didn't but I do feel a lot of resentment towards him right now. I am a SAHM we are financially stable, he is in the Army so that means that I already do 90% of the work when it comes to the kids. I just feel that it should be up to me since I know what I can handle. Also with if we were to get preg now there would be a 4 yr age gap between my youngest now and the baby. That gap is bigger then I would like, and I told him maybe sometime next year and he still says no. He says that he wants to wait a couple of years but he said this before and I don't want to wait too long and then have a even bigger gap. If the gap gets to big I will feel like we need a 4th child so that the 3rd child will have a sibling close in age. I love big families and of course I know its hard but the benefits outweigh the negatives. My husband is an only child and doesn't know how great it is to come from a big family. Now I sit here 1 in the morning sad, with puffy eyes on the verge of tears feeling that he just can't relate to me. He is able to fall asleep and not notice that I am sobbing right next to him. He didn't even want our 2nd child but since it was a boy he was happy, and I'm just so jealous of the couples who are both on the same page and want more kids. Why do I feel like I am losing control over my life? I just so envy those couples who are preg with their 3rd and 4th and their spouse is happy. I sacrifice so much for his career and am very supportive but yet I feel lonely and sad that what I want he doesn't support. Also the fact that I talked to my friend who has 5 kids and she was telling me about how hard it was when they were young but how much her and her husband love having a big family. I just feel like my dreams are being ripped out from under my feet. I just want to scream as loud as I can or run on the treadmill at full speed just to escape my anger. I'm sorry this has turned into a huge rant but it's so hard when I have been such a supportive wife who has stood by him during 2, year long deployments. Thanks for listening

I feel like I could have written this article. The only differences would be that I am 36, I have 2 boys, and my husband's reasons are different. Very different. My husband never had to help with the two boys. He did change their diapers at times, when they were very young, but beyond that, they have never been a burden to him in any way. He never once got up in the night with them, or had to comfort them while they cried. His entire responsibility was to bring home a paycheck, which he does quite well, and play with them when he feels like it. I told my husband on our second date (it was the 3rd time I'd ever seen him) that I wanted MANY children... but that my bare minimum was 4 - ideally, it would be 2 boys and 2 girls, but you get what you get. This was how important having children was to me. I came from a family with 8 children. We were not wealthy, but very, very happy. I knew from the time I was a little child that I wanted lots of kids, and told my future spouse this MANY times before we were married. He always made jokes to people that I would have 20 children if I could. Whenever I would ask him how many children he wanted, his only response was, "We'll cross that bridge when we come to it." (Why, oh why didn't alarm bells go off in my head?!?!?!) Two years after we were married, I brought up the subject of babies. I was ready to try for our first. His response was, "First? I don't want ANY! I never wanted any!" I immediately felt ill. My heart felt crushed. I NEVER would have married a man who wanted less than 4 children. NEVER. No man could be what I wanted and not want lots of children, or at least 4, and he knew this BEFORE we were married. This man I married had deceived me. Fast forward a bit more, and he had friends at work who had babies, and he decided, yes, he did want one. I was elated, and we had our first son. Even though the boy was his idea at that point, and the baby was wanted, my husband hated me for some unknown reason -which I now believe to be that he resented giving me something I wanted. For 18 months following my getting pregnant, he literally never touched me... not even a brush of the shoulder on the way by. But he LOVED his son, and still does. He says that nothing in the world can compare to having kids. They are better than anything. He eventually decided that he wanted his son to have a brother, since he never had one, and wanted one when he was growing up (he had only sisters). So, we had our second boy. And he is dearly loved as well. About 2 years later, I mentioned having our girls now. Hubby said no. No discussion. No compromise. It was apparently only his decision to be made. I had no say. Fast forward 4 more years, and I feel even more strongly about having the children I always wanted. Hubby still says no. I asked him sweetly, recently, giving him the reasons that having a couple more babies would be good. He agreed with all of them, and claimed that he wanted to have a girl. But, he pointed out that I don't work. I home-school our boys, and between that and the housekeeping, there aren't enough hours in the day to work outside the home. Besides, because of the shift he works he couldn't watch the boys, and the amount of money I could earn around here would only cover the cost of having someone watch them while I worked. He pointed out that we have debt - and we do, but not sizable. He said he would "think about it", and I waited 2 weeks before saying a word. I asked him if he had had time to think about it, and what conclusion did he come to. His answer was "NO! End of discussion." Thing is, he has a HUGE garage FULL of very expensive toys, which he did not have before we were married. If he were truly concerned about the debt, he would have done something about it already. I have listened to him SCREAM at his friends who had debt but were sitting on expensive things they could sell. So, I cannot believe that the debt truly worries him. He makes a lot of money compared to our other bills, but he likes expensive things, so we have debt. I live cheaply and have very little to call my own. I don't buy new clothing every year, not even socks. I don't have hobbies, because they cost money, and he hates for me to spend money on anything for myself. We don't even buy the boys an ice cream cone in the summer, cause a couple of dollars is "too much to spend". Meanwhile, he has more vehicles and toys than you can imagine. His claims of "we can't afford more kids" actually means, "if we have more kids, I might not be able to buy a new dirt bike EVERY year, and a new ATV, and a car, and whatever else strikes my fancy, etc. etc." (Know any other man "concerned about his debt and can't afford another child" who has 8 dirt bikes, 3 ATVs, 2 race cars, 2 motorcycles, 15 bicycles, 2 trucks, and 5 "regular" cars, along with thousands of dollars worth of tools and other toys?????) He owns 30 pairs of shoes. I own 2 - and he was mad that I bought the second pair, when the first pair wasn't "completely" worn out. He owns 3 closets, plus a dresser, full of clothes. I own only 1 pair of jeans that I have to wear 3 days and then wash, or they would wear out too soon. I already have had to patch the knees. It's EVERYTHING for him, and nothing for anyone else. When I have expressed my desire for more children, he says he's happy, so why change anything? When I remind him that I'm not happy with such a small family, he says he doesn't care. When I remind him of how I told him before we were married that I wanted at least four children, he counters with, "Well, I never agreed to four." (Of course, I never agreed that all of our life decisions would be his alone to make, but somehow, here we are.) My point is this.... not every man who doesn't want more kids is actually a caring soul who deserves respect. Sometimes, just sometimes, they are selfish creeps who believe that what THEY want is the only thing that matters, and they aren't above lying to get it. We are indeed at an impasse. I resent him more, daily. Anyone dare tell me to "accept and move on"?

Based on just this one post, you are an abused wife. Your husband is controlling and mean. YOU should NOT "accept and move on" you should just move on. Separate from your husband, you will be far more happier. You can find a man who will love you and your current children, be willing to give you more kids, AND take you into consideration when making purchases and decisions. My husband does not want more kids. I am on the fence, I think I want one more but at the same time I don't. Neither my husband nor I are the sole decision maker. We don't spend more than $30 on things we don't need without consulting the other first! Reading your post I feel so sorry for you, I feel like you're being abused. Not physically but emotionally.

wow. you are very abused and your husband has serious issues. Do yourself a favor, get some self-esteem, DIVORCE him immediately, and turn those toys of his into child support for you and your boys, because your husband certainly does not deserve you nor them. then find a new, loving, generous man who actually loves you, and have all the girls you want. sounds like you are living a nightmare. too bad you stayed when he first said he didn't want kids. Obviously he cares only about himself, and you already know it, all you need now is the courage to leave him.

This was such a sad article! It was very well written and I loved how the author poured her heart onto paper! God can change the hardest of hearts so I will pray for Laurie and her husband that he will have a change of heart! Children are an extension of us, they give us a way to live forever and ever. If you would like to read some encouraging mother articles on this subject and more, check out: www.aboverubies.org Blessing to you Laurie!

Well, I can honesty say I can see both sides of the story here. I want more children, we have two lovely boys and my heart has room for more. I want the large family dynamic, but my husband is not very "hands on" with the children, so he doesn't know what a joy they can be. He also has to carry the largest part of the financial burden, though I work part-time as well as carrying all the household chores. He is worried because if he had another child, we would need a new vehicle, and all the other added costs. He wants to be able to take our children on trips, and it gets much more expensive to holiday with a family larger than four. He wants to be able to "give them everything". I feel the greatest gift my parents gave me was my three sisters. So, there it is. On one hand, I do not think he is being fair to me, because he knows how much I want more children, but on the other hand I will not let his choice come between us. I have my children each for about 18 years, then they are gone. My husband and I may be together for 60+ years, God willing. So, though I will never agree with reasons for not wanting more children, I do not withhold my love from him, nor do I constantly ask him for more. He already knows what I want, and perhaps someday he'll change his mind. But even if he doesn't, we'll still have two great kids, and a wonderful marriage. I'm not saying this is easy, a small part of my heart is always aching, but I've learned to wait on the Lord, and so I don't carry this burden so heavily anymore. God bless all of you who are struggling with this, because it shows that you have a great capacity to love!

the bashing needs to stop and yes we all have our opinions but some of you are defending the husband b/c he doesn't want her to have a hard pregnancy or have less time or lose sleep...you are missing the big picture...he will lose his toys or adding to his crazy collection! That is his biggest fear that he can't go out and play with his shiny expensive things. If they agreed on a large family all along and now he changed his mind that's not fair to her. Yes, using the kids passively aggressive is wrong but she is hurt and desperate. I personally have 2 kids which are 10 months apart. They were an amazing blessing after many struggles with miscarriages and fertility drugs and procedures. Somehow my first came on his own with no help and we were more than blessed, grateful and thankful. One was a miracle and I was fine stopping there. Turns out mother nature decided I needed another and when my son was 2 months old I found out I was pregnant. Needless to say we were in total and complete shock! five years later I am now pregnant with a third. We never decided we were done, although many people said well since you have a boy and a girl you are done and don't need anymore. Who's to say when you are "done". It was not planned, in fact the timing couldn't be worse. I lost my teaching job in June, seem to be more than qualified for anything i apply for but have been busy being a mom to my two kids who are in different schools and the bills don't stop coming and we will probably be moving out of state where we have family support. But aside from that economic heartache we are very blessed and thankful to be having a little one again. This is it, hubby will get snipped this spring and we will be a family of five. I am 37 and my personal cut-off for #3 was when I was 35, I can't us bc b/c of the many issues and how it affects me so we were I guess "lucky" these last 5 years. After all the struggles we had we were happy and more than blessed with one, surprised and equally blessed with two and now this third one is surprise and is blessing us as well. It will be rough but we will be ok. I do think this mom is being abused emotionally and mentally and that in itself is not healthy for the two kids she does have. I also think a third would bring about more abuse from her husband and who's to say he won't turn physical. She does needs to seek help for that. What's the worse thing that happens, she gets divorce and meets someone who appreciates her and treats her as she should be and even is open to having kids, that's not a bad outcome. But staying in an abusive relationship, no way. No amount of love or size of a paycheck would keep me there! I wish her the best and hope she does something for herself!

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What a beautifully written article. I am going through this myself right now and I pray everyday for my husband to change his mind. It is so hard to long to feel another life growing inside of you and to know that your husband, understanding this longing, still finds that he can only say no. Men do not really understand our desire to bear children. I think that it is especially difficult for those of us who are coming to the end of our child bearing years and we know that our time is running out. I wish with every ounce of my being that another child could come but I know that my husband doesn't. It is straining our marriage and has definately changed the way I feel about him. I pray everyday that God will change one of our hearts so that we could live in peace again.

I understand you completely. I too am coming to the end of my child-bearing years. We have a 2.5 year old and I would love to have another. My husband says he has a lot he wants in life too, like an ATV, 100 acres, etc... I stupidly gave in and 'we' bought the ATV. I think I was hoping this would change his mind because he is out of work right now and I am funding the thing! I find myself resentful! We are supposed to go out and buy me a helmet today so I can enjoy it too but I want nothing to do with it - or even him for that matter. Is this going to pass? It hurts so much!

We have boy and girl twins. I don't feel that I have had the opportunity to truely be a mummy. I had an elective caesarian, I could not sustain breastfeeding beyond a couple of weeks. I have never had the joy of 'being in the moment' in the middle of the night. I have never carried my baby around when i am out in a sling to feel my babies loving warmth beside me because when you have two a pram is the only way to get around. How the months have just disappeared on survival mode. Everything has felt so mechanical. I feel so strongly and overwhelmed to have have another baby but my husband doesn't want to because before we were married we agreed on 2.... I didn't think for one minute though that we would have 2 at once. I cry every day and resent my husband. Before we had kids he always said that you only live once so enjoy life. I wish he could consider this thought when he says an out right no to more kids. What about my life. I know I will not enjoy it, just be full of resentment. People say how lucky and clever I am to have a girl and a boy and I don't have to go through it all again. How wrong are they to assume this.Of course I love my two babies. It is not their fault by any means. If only he would change his mind I would not feel so sad.

This sounds like it could have been written by me. When we met my husband had a 4.5 year old son. We were both in our early Thirties. I made it clear that I wanted children...at least 1 that I gave birth to was how I put it. He heard the one...I meant I wanted the option of more once I saw how I liked motherhood. We married. Our daughter was born soon after. When she was 3 months old I was ready to have another one. I had an unexpected C-section and felt somewhat "cheated" out of part of the motherhood experience. His reply was a most definite no. We were in our mid-thirties by then and he had a list of reasons for his decision that all look good on paper...families of more than 4 are awkward. you need a bigger car. child support for his son and daycare for our daughter would be enough of a monthly hit to the budget. We'd need a bigger house. We already had 2 healthy children, why tempt fate with a 3rd...on and on. My brain understands but my heart yearns to love another child. My daughter is now 3 and my stepson almost 12. I still have moments of tearfulness when someone close to me announces a pregnancy. I struggled through every step of my daughter's development knowing that I never experience those milestones with another child. I don't resent my husband and deep in my heart I know he's not likely to change his mind. I take my birthcontrol pill everynight. But I live in hope of that 1 in a million chance of an ooops that brings me my longed for baby. I have faith in my husband that it wouldn't be a deal breaker, that It wouldn't end our marriage. I know he knows I'd never do it on purpose. In my darker moods I consider telling him he can go for the Vasectomy he's talked about for as long as I've talked about another baby...sometimes I think that would be easier...knowing beyond a doubt that the door was closed. Thing is...if I could swallow a pill and make the longing go away I would. There is no pill though and I don't know how to stop making myself so miserable.

Well...Im in your same shoes except that i am a young mother of two. I have a 2 year old girl and a 3 year old boy. they are 101/2 months apart. I want a third child but my hubby says no! no! No! It really sux. I have female problems alot and it scares me to death thinking that i might not ever be able to have anymore babies. I love being pregnant. I miss the feeling. I love my babies so much! He says that 2 is plenty and we dont need anymore. to me i dont think he should have that choice cause he didnt get up when they cried or change their diapers. He has never gave them a bath or even feed them. when i would confront him with thoes issues he would tell me u wanted them u do it. well... i never said anything else to him just did my duties and he cant even give me another one. I think its just because he wants to show me whose boss . Im not trying to sound selfish i am happy with what i got it would just be nice to have another one close in age with my other two. All i can say hope an oopsie shows up:) Good luck with you hun!

I have two lovely girls, ages 11 and 8. My husband and I thankfully have a wonderful marriage and life has brought me the good fortune to be a stay a t home mom for the first time in our life. Up till now my children knew me as a working mom and grad student. I am starting to think of having a 3rd, and my children are also asking for a sibling. The age difference does concern me too. My husband believes that it would be a mistake and that we will be giving up our future freedom to travel and do more things together while the children are older and more independent. I love children and have worked with children all my life in my carreer. I am 35 and confused... What step should I take before it's too late?

Wow, I could have wrote this. You are further along in the process than me though. I'm at the stage where I just plain despise him. I love him, but also deeply hate him for this. It is a betrayal. A refusal to share the deepest part of himself with me. In our religion it is grounds for divorce...

Im hoping that commenting here is going to give me some kind of release.... When our son was 2 1/2 my husband and i decided we wanted to try for another one, hoping for a girl but would have been happy either way. After 7 long months of charting, temperature taking and so many Negatives i finally found out i was pregnant. We were ecstatic and told those closest to us right away but still keeping it a little hush hush. After my second doctors visit they noticed a drop in my HCG levels on one of my blood tests and i was ordered to full bed rest and to come back in 5 days. After only 3 days the unthinkable happened, I began bleeding and our trip to the doctors confirmed that yes i was having a miscarriage. My husband and i were devastated and he was so concerned for how i was taking it, whats worse is how were we going to explain it to our son that there was no baby anymore. The only thing that kept me going was being able to try again, at least we knew that i could still get pregnant and that was what i had to hold on to so i could get through it. After 3 weeks while my husband and i were arguing over something silly he blurted out that he didnt want to try anymore and never wanted to again. He said that after about 4 months of trying he had changed his mind but didnt have the heart to tell me. My world has collapsed, yes i am lucky enough to have my gorgeous boy but i still feel the need for more and now my dreams of a sibling for our son have been shattered. It has been 7 weeks since the miscarriage and 4 since he broke my heart. I really dont know how to feel or what to do, i love my husband but all i can think about is that baby that i lost and that it was my last chance. I see pregnant people everywhere, I have a baby shower to attend on sunday and found out last week that my husbands little sister is expecting her first. I just cant stop being angry at my husband and being jealous of those women who have what i want......The last paragraph of this article is exactly how i feel. I have to put up and shut up for the sake of my family and forego my own wants and needs, i just dont know how im going to do that just yet.

I feel like im reading my own story. Like you it was never an issue because my husband said 2, maybe three. Once we had a boy and a girl it was DONE. The gender never entered into me wanting 2 or maybe 3 kids. I love my two children, girl 5(1/2) boy 2(1/2). Were blessed that they are healthy and happy but i feel like another child would complete our family. I was raised in a huge family and cannot imagine anything less for my own kids. Plus its nice to have a extra sibling if these two end up not being close. I do understand all of my husbands points! ( larger home , money, education and just wanting to enjoy our two kids ) but in my heart it will all work out. I cant explain it logically and maybe it will never make sense but I'm hurt. He has made a decision that involves our family without me. He thinks that I can get over it within a few days, not fully understanding that this is a regret that will bother me the rest of my life. I love him and would never force him into it but he cannot force me to forget so easily. So I have a great man most of the time, two beautiful kids and why is a third so important? I need to work this out so I can move forward, just dont know how. I remember when I was eight, my brother, sister and I would chant that we wanted a baby and BOOM my parents gave us that gift. He has been a gift eversince! My daughter keeps asking for baby and all I can say is "you & your brother are my baby" . Hoping in time , asking will stop and heart will heal.

My situation is very similar. I am havIng alot of trouble moving on from not having a third. I think about it all the time. I am trying to get over it but can't. Did you ever move on and how?

When we had our first, my wife insisted that we share the work 50/50 and I did my best (though I was bitter and know I didn't meet her expectations). The second was really hard. Now that the youngest is 4, life was really starting to look up. I could take them both to movies or the amusement park. Maybe I'm even glad that I was so involved and now am so connected to my kids. But I'm definitely *tired* and know that I can't take any more babies or kids and have barely enough patience for the two that I have. Now I feel like my wife is trying to bully me into having a third. She says she will be so sad if we don't have a third -- she is not sure our marriage will survive the long haul. She stopped wearing her wedding ring four months ago. At the time, she told me it was because it was more comfortable to exercise without it. Last night, she told me she did it because she was so mad at me, and that it was a "freeing feeling.". Wow, I had no idea how far it had gone, and we've been in marriage counseling the whole time. What should I do? Help!

I think you should definitely not have a third child if you feel bullied into it. Also, I think your relationship should be strong before you consider an additional child. However, I see why it is so hard for her too. This situation can easily hurt a marriage. I am in a position similar to your wife, and unfortunately, with all the love that I have for my husband, I feel that it hurt my marriage. I think I could live with only two children if I had to, and be happy. The problem is that every time I see my husband I am reminded that he is the reason I cannot have my unborn child. I cannot tell you how hard it is! I don't think there is an easy solution to this problem. Perhaps if you can understand why you are so much against it, you two can find a way to add a third child into your life without you feeling bullied into it.

I can't tell you what to do but i can help you to understand her. i give you a lot of credit for at least reading articles like this one. I am a mother of one 3 year old boy. He was a tough one at first and we struggled after. For almost 2 years now my heart has been yearning for another one. My husband had kept putting it off for multiple reasons until recently he told me he can't promise me that we will have another one and that he wil "probably not" have another child. Devastating is not the word for the heartache. The author says it so perfectly when she describes it as mourning the loss of the child that she was supposed to have. That is just what it is. It is mourning. She is going to resent you. I don't see how she couldn't if her heart aches everyday for another child and she sees you as the source of that ache. That being said, if you feel she is bullying you into having another child, you will only resent her if you do appease her. Perhaps she isn't trying to bully you but is so hopeless and desparate about the matter. She wants you to see how much she is hurting. It is hard when you perceive the one that you love the most is causing you to suffer. Like I said the only thing I could compare the feeling to is the mourning over a loved one. I hope all works out.

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